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		<title>Comment on When Excellence Becomes an Idol in the Church by brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 19:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m feeling my way through this issue as well.

The way I see it, the problem comes from an inadequate definition of &#039;excellence&#039;. I remember an impasse I arrived at with someone when we were both in our 20s. I was pushing for excellence, and he stridently told me that that&#039;s not a goal worth shooting for. When he heard excellence he thought &quot;perfection&quot;. But when I say excellence, I mean a multiplicity of giftings. When we are all bringing our whole selves into worship, then we have great music (as just one obvious example) that cannot take itself too seriously.

In appropriate tension, the goal of being open and welcoming co-exists with the goal of quality creativity. Giving our best to God is not quite the same as me giving my best to God in a corporate setting.

In a related issue, what people compliment is revealing. We need leaders who are secure and confident enough to actively address and re-frame the compliments they receive. I don&#039;t care that the &#039;music sounded really good this morning&#039;, how did it challenge you to grow? What new characteristic of God did it reveal to you? What change did God ask you to make in our worship?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m feeling my way through this issue as well.</p>
<p>The way I see it, the problem comes from an inadequate definition of &#8216;excellence&#8217;. I remember an impasse I arrived at with someone when we were both in our 20s. I was pushing for excellence, and he stridently told me that that&#8217;s not a goal worth shooting for. When he heard excellence he thought &#8220;perfection&#8221;. But when I say excellence, I mean a multiplicity of giftings. When we are all bringing our whole selves into worship, then we have great music (as just one obvious example) that cannot take itself too seriously.</p>
<p>In appropriate tension, the goal of being open and welcoming co-exists with the goal of quality creativity. Giving our best to God is not quite the same as me giving my best to God in a corporate setting.</p>
<p>In a related issue, what people compliment is revealing. We need leaders who are secure and confident enough to actively address and re-frame the compliments they receive. I don&#8217;t care that the &#8216;music sounded really good this morning&#8217;, how did it challenge you to grow? What new characteristic of God did it reveal to you? What change did God ask you to make in our worship?</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Excellence Becomes an Idol in the Church by Michael Wallenmeyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wallenmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 12:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael-there is a fuzzy line between doing our best and idolatry. When do we cross the line? Perhaps the best question we can ask ourselves is &quot;Why am I doing this&quot;? &quot;What is motivating me?&quot; The desires and motives of our heart, at least for me, are always a mixed bag, good and bad.

With that said, I do think many of our churhces today have slipped into the mode of thinking that doing things really well, with excellence, are the key to success. Perhaps we have given up on messy relationships, community, sacrificial living, loving our neighbors with our lives, the gospel with simply doing Sunday worship services really well. I won&#039;t play that game anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael-there is a fuzzy line between doing our best and idolatry. When do we cross the line? Perhaps the best question we can ask ourselves is &#8220;Why am I doing this&#8221;? &#8220;What is motivating me?&#8221; The desires and motives of our heart, at least for me, are always a mixed bag, good and bad.</p>
<p>With that said, I do think many of our churhces today have slipped into the mode of thinking that doing things really well, with excellence, are the key to success. Perhaps we have given up on messy relationships, community, sacrificial living, loving our neighbors with our lives, the gospel with simply doing Sunday worship services really well. I won&#8217;t play that game anymore.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Excellence Becomes an Idol in the Church by Michael Stocklin</title>
		<link>http://missionalinsuburbia.com/when-excellence-becomes-an-idol-in-the-church/2012/05#comment-4165</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Stocklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 03:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being in the business environment, I see the time and energies some folks put into the smallest, most insignificant and non-eternal matters.
On the other hand, I see people in the church who don&#039;t give a hoot about doing the best for the King of Kings.
I agree, excellence can definitely become an idol in the church, but for me personally, my life&#039;s desire is Romans 12:1- Because of HIS mercy, I offer MY very best as worship to my LORD.
Don&#039;t get me wrong, I love the church and encourage all of us to plan, pursue and follow-through better in our endeavors for Christ’s Kingdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being in the business environment, I see the time and energies some folks put into the smallest, most insignificant and non-eternal matters.<br />
On the other hand, I see people in the church who don&#8217;t give a hoot about doing the best for the King of Kings.<br />
I agree, excellence can definitely become an idol in the church, but for me personally, my life&#8217;s desire is Romans 12:1- Because of HIS mercy, I offer MY very best as worship to my LORD.<br />
Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I love the church and encourage all of us to plan, pursue and follow-through better in our endeavors for Christ’s Kingdom.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Excellence Becomes an Idol in the Church by Michael Wallenmeyer</title>
		<link>http://missionalinsuburbia.com/when-excellence-becomes-an-idol-in-the-church/2012/05#comment-4164</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wallenmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 02:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent! I like your addition to the list! Thanks Sharon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! I like your addition to the list! Thanks Sharon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Excellence Becomes an Idol in the Church by Sharon R Hoover</title>
		<link>http://missionalinsuburbia.com/when-excellence-becomes-an-idol-in-the-church/2012/05#comment-4163</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon R Hoover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 01:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the boldness of your post, Michael! Your final bullet is the perfect conclusion reminding us of the Kingdom&#039;s growth amidst simplicity and passion.  

I have an addition to the list: 
&quot;You find yourself disappointed when the associate pastor or a guest pastor is preaching instead of your senior pastor.&quot;
and, (Leaders) &quot;You begin planning for the &quot;pop&quot; in next year&#039;s Easter service on Easter Monday.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the boldness of your post, Michael! Your final bullet is the perfect conclusion reminding us of the Kingdom&#8217;s growth amidst simplicity and passion.  </p>
<p>I have an addition to the list:<br />
&#8220;You find yourself disappointed when the associate pastor or a guest pastor is preaching instead of your senior pastor.&#8221;<br />
and, (Leaders) &#8220;You begin planning for the &#8220;pop&#8221; in next year&#8217;s Easter service on Easter Monday.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Excellence Becomes an Idol in the Church by Michael Wallenmeyer</title>
		<link>http://missionalinsuburbia.com/when-excellence-becomes-an-idol-in-the-church/2012/05#comment-4162</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wallenmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 13:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt-I too am guilty as charged! Maybe admitting it is the first step in recovery;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt-I too am guilty as charged! Maybe admitting it is the first step in recovery;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Excellence Becomes an Idol in the Church by Michael Wallenmeyer</title>
		<link>http://missionalinsuburbia.com/when-excellence-becomes-an-idol-in-the-church/2012/05#comment-4161</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wallenmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 13:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear from you Emily! If you have any thoughts to share about the topic, something to add...feel free to jot it down here. Would love to hear it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear from you Emily! If you have any thoughts to share about the topic, something to add&#8230;feel free to jot it down here. Would love to hear it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Excellence Becomes an Idol in the Church by Emily Neal</title>
		<link>http://missionalinsuburbia.com/when-excellence-becomes-an-idol-in-the-church/2012/05#comment-4160</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 13:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true, Michael! I&#039;ve been thinking a lot about this same topic lately. Good list!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true, Michael! I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about this same topic lately. Good list!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Church Returns to the Neighborhood. Post #1: “Welcome to an Unthinkable World” by keith thomason</title>
		<link>http://missionalinsuburbia.com/the-church-returns-to-the-neighborhood-post-1-%e2%80%9cwelcome-to-an-unthinkable-world%e2%80%9d/2011/03#comment-4158</link>
		<dc:creator>keith thomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 20:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the book but I think I get the gist from your observations.  It is true that slick mailers are producing the responses they once produced and programs have to compete with many other activities which may further deteriate the family together time.  I see all this and agree it isn&#039;s as effective as it once was.  Clearly we live in a new world.  Grass roots relational evangelism is always in vogue.  At the end of the day it is a relationship we are called to and a relationship that points the way.  Thanks brother for the thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the book but I think I get the gist from your observations.  It is true that slick mailers are producing the responses they once produced and programs have to compete with many other activities which may further deteriate the family together time.  I see all this and agree it isn&#8217;s as effective as it once was.  Clearly we live in a new world.  Grass roots relational evangelism is always in vogue.  At the end of the day it is a relationship we are called to and a relationship that points the way.  Thanks brother for the thoughts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Excellence Becomes an Idol in the Church by Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 19:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.  As I read the list I&#039;m guilty as charged of several.  I have a new meeting item for next Monday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  As I read the list I&#8217;m guilty as charged of several.  I have a new meeting item for next Monday.</p>
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